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You are encouraged to write a letter of comment on anything that you
find worthy of comment. It will (may) be published in this column along
with my reply. As editor I reserve the right to delete material;
however I will not alter the undeleted material. E-mail to me that solely
references the contents of this site will be assumed to be publishable
mail. All other e-mail is assumed to be private. And, of course, anything
marked not for publication is not for publication. Oh yes, letters of
appreciation for the scholarly resources provided by this site will be
handled very discreetly. This page contains the correspondence for
November 1998.
From: Diane Ware
I’ve got one for you:
Older man: “Where have you been all my life?”
I’ve actually used this one (it’s my own), and it works!
Older man: “I want you to be the mother of my children”
From: Kalina
Hello,
The real theme of the story is that in ordinary society we are protected
from dangerous consequences of our actions in a lot of ways – humanity
has created a protective environment for itself. In extreme situations
and evironments, however, the protection is thin and it is easy to make
an unwitting fatal mistake.
From: Pelli
all i can say is that i saw a copy of the original story at work and wanted
a copy for myself…i was disappointed to see that you had re-written the
story (updated 11/10) and the tragedy was not nearly as humorous..please post
a copy of the story as originally written.
From: Stephen D. Franklin
Your Darwin Awards Page
is most edifying.
When it refers to “urban legends” you might want to link to
http://www.urbanlegends.com/
You might also be interested in the fact that it was featured in
http://reports.guardian.co.uk/articles/1998/11/11/32481.html
From: Sdmcar
I don’t know if this has already been sent to you, but if it has, let me know.
Mindy. this story is about a guy in a weather balloon with a six pack of
miller lite
From: Ann Wylie ([email protected])
I just checked out your site. I loved it. If it wasn’t so late i’ve have
stayed longer. I bookmarked it. You need a guest page.
I found your Piltdown page very interesting.
A bibliographic suggestion: the main reference for Gould’s views isn’t
‘Piltdown Revisited’ in The Panda’s Thumb. That paper only briefly
sketches his argument in a short appendix. He goes into much more detail
in ‘The Piltdown Conspiracy’ and ‘A Reply to Critics’, both collected in
Hen’s Teeth and Horse’s Toes. He’s also written at least one other
article on the subject in Natural History, but I don’t know if it’s made
it into one of his collections.
Some content suggestions:
1. One thing that always puzzles me about Piltdown arguments is the use of
the ‘needle in haystack’ thesis: the claim that seeded fossils would almost
certainly never be found by innocent searchers (with the corollary that the
forger must have been present in the pit to discover the fossils for
himself). I don’t find this claim especially implausible, but in Piltdown
studies it gets as much work as a law of nature, and very little supporting
evidence. Walsh is an especial disappointment, as he leans on it extremely
hard but doesn’t cite any empirical evidence to back it up: even anecdotal
evidence culled from the writings of paleontologists would be useful.
Moreover, there seems an equally strong counter-tradition among
paleontologists that once you know what to look for, fieldwork becomes very
much simpler (Gould runs the ‘needle in haystack’ claim in his Piltdown
articles, but elsewhere gives instances of how the eye informed by
hypothesis has triumphed in fieldwork). Assuming that Woodward, Dawson and
Teilhard were on the lookout for skull and teeth fragments, to compare in
colouration and texture to the pieces Dawson allegedly got from a workman,
wouldn’t this make the job very much simpler?
Anyway, I feel that some of the Piltdown scholars are oversimplifying
things, in order to run their preferred arguments contra Teilhard or
Dawson. Perhaps your webpage could serve as a bulletin board for people to
contribute any evidence they have either way on this.
On the other hand there are elements that are more solid. Walsh makes much,
rightly I think, of the circumstances of finding the jawbone. Even more to
the point, I think, are the circumstances surrounding the Piltdown II find,
something the theorists mostly pay little attention to. P2, I think, definitely
implicates Dawson.
2. Another way of gaining evidence about this case is by comparing it to
other famous fraud cases. To my mind, a very strong argument against
Dawson is his previous history of fraud in a variety of circumstances, and
the fact that other famous forgers (the sinologist Edmund Backhouse; the
Greek scholar Wise and the chess historian Duncan Forbes are good examples)
equally seem to have had a background of compulsive repetition of fraud, in
a variety of circumstances. Again, perhaps your webpage could collect
together evidence about the profiles of people who commit scholarly fraud
of this kind.
From: Steve Harter
Come for a
visit!
I’ve added music to my website, additional animals to the family and updates
on each of the kids, Ellen and Myself.
Let me know what you think, OK?
Just wanted you to know I like your web site a lot.
It must be a strange sensation to go back and find that your childhood
home is barely even a hole in the ground. I get back to my early grounds
(formerly exurban DC) every few years (family, and the only school
reunions I value); the last time I was there somebody had managed to
subdivide the lot and put up an I-HAVE-MONEY house, but the one I grew
up in was still there. (Brick has its uses.)
The impact is particularly strong for me because everything is gone.
Until I was 13 my world consisted of the ranch and the one room country
school that I attended with the occasional visit to town or to neighbors.
Nothing is left of the house save a hole in the ground where the cistern
used to be and a few rocks. The only thing left of the buildings are some
rows of stones where the foundations were. The one room country school is
totally gone – you cannot even see where the foundation was. More than
that the neighbors are gone and their houses are empty, decaying, and
falling into ruin.
The town has changed too. When I grew up it had two drug stores (both of
which carried pulp SF magazines but not, alas, ASF), a movie house, and a
bakery. All gone, of course. The great social event was to go to town
on a Saturday night – it was like an outdoor SF convention. That has gone
by the board.
The land does not change though. One of things about growing up in the
country is that you know – really know – every hill, it’s shape, and every
draw.
So much for “You can’t go home again.”
The closest I came to that sort of disappearance was wandering through
the former site of a chautauqua/trolley-park/amusement-park that I’d
grown up with; it closed shortly after I moved away 30 years ago,
although parts are being reused as an arts center. Parts of it had gone
to wrack and ruin — the pool and the arcade in particular looked like
something out of BATMAN, while the minigolf course had no carpet but
enough concrete left to make clear what each hole had been like — but
the most dramatic part was the 3 30-foot trees where I remembered
boarding the roller coaster (one of the few things actually torn down —
abandoned woodies get dangerous).
I find it hard to imagine you settling in the plains, possibly because
I’ve always known you in a city-based setting. Several NESFen were
talking just last night about how appallingly flat they’d found Winnipeg
at the 1994 Worldcon; I expect a lot of us are more deeply imprinted by
our childhoods than we like to acknowledge — my wife was talking to a
fellow Philadelphian about the beautiful countryside on our West Coast
driving trip and was told “Yes, but there’s NO DELI between San
Francisco and Portland.” Chacun a son gout/, even without the
variations from Dorothy Parker and Tony Lewis….
I like cities. That is, I like cities that you can walk around in –
Boston is an eminently livable city. But then I like the plains, too.
As you say, one is imprinted in one’s youth.
It’s a funny thing about flat. When I grew up flat was what I knew.
When I had been East for a long time flat became alien to me – I remember
once flying out to visit my mother and having to make a major adjustment
to flat. Now it seems comfortable again.
Do your sisters ever get the impulse to move back? One of Stan Rogers’s
last albums (when his songwriting was moving away from the Atlantic
coast and into the central plains) ends with a piece about how all his
friends seem to be winding up in California….
From: Geoff
Great Job. One of the funnest sites I have seen in years. Keep up the good
work.
From: Nestor Makno ([email protected])
Hey thanks for creating and updating this site! I have a question for you.
Cheikh Anta Diop, in his Magnum Opus work, Civilization or Barbarism
suggests that racism may have been a factor in the hoax, that Dawson et al
wanted to prove that European Homo Sapiens evolved separately from African
Homo Sapiens, possibly from Neanderthal Man. Is there any evidence for
this? For example, was this a discussion during his time?
I think that it is fair to say that there was a bit of presumption that
Homo sapiens evolved in Europe or possibly Asia. The real influence, if
there was one, was English chauvinism. There had been finds scattered
throughout Europe but none in England. The “find” established England as
a primary location for the evolution of humanity. This was a clear factor
in the acceptance of the hoax – the English paleontologists were much more
willing to accept Piltdown Man as a legitimate find. Outside of England
there was substantial skepticism about the jawbone and skull being from
the same creature.
From: Jeremy Krane
Dear sir,
I made this turkey in 1991 and have spent every year since searching for the
lost recipe. I carried a copy of the ingredients in my jacket pocket until
last year, when it was misplaced in a move. People still remember the
debauchery associated with this turkey, and its creation has achieved its
rank in the informal canon of yarnspinning amongst my circle of friends.
I’ll be happy to send leftovers. Words cannot express my thanks.
As an addendum to the recipe, it should be noted that the bird arrives from
the oven completely blackened and looking ruined.
Warmest holiday regards,
From: Walter Breidenstein
I’ve been surfing.
You know, I find that I do two kinds of surfing. One kind is like
highway driving; blowin’ along, just seeing the outside of stuff, and
only briefly, but a lot of it. The other kind is like being in a
curio shop for awhile.
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Date: 11/12/98
Subj: Snappy Feminine Comebacks
Younger woman: “Probably not born for half of it!”
Thanks, I’ll add it. A variant of that runs:
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Younger woman: “But how many do you have?”
Date: 10/25/98
Subj: The Cold Equations
This story is really interesting. We are also reading it in school and
I don’t know what are the “cold equatiions” and why are they called
that? Please answer me as soon as possible.
My apologies – I’ve gotten a bit behind on my email. The basic idea of
cold equations is that you can’t change the laws of physics to meet human
desires. It doesn’t matter whether you are good or bad, smart or stupid –
the laws of physics don’t care. In the story the young woman has to die
because there simply isn’t enough fuel to carry her as a passenger. The
cold equations in this case are the equations governing the rate of
consumption of rocket fuel.
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Date: 11/11/98
Subj: 1995 winner
I’m sorry but the version that you see is the original version as I got it;
there may be other versions circulating on the net. I definitely did not
rewrite the story. The page was last changed 11/10 to add the information
that a reader says that the story is true but that it happened in New Mexico
rather than in Arizona.
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Date: 11/10/98
Subj: Darwin Awards Page
Thanks for the kudos and the suggested link – I will add it. Thanks
also for pointing out the guardian article. When I first put up the
page I had no idea that it would be so popular.
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Date: 11/10/98
Subj: morefunny
I’ve got it: It’s the The 1997 Darwin Award Honorable Mention,
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Date: 11/9/98
Subj: Super
Thanks. I’m glad you liked it. I don’t have a guest book as such
but I do record almost all of the correspondence in the letter
pages. You’ll find yourself there within the next few days.
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From: James Chase
Date: 11/3/98
Subj: Piltdown homepage
Thank you; I appreciate that you found it so. Over time I have tried to
make it into a semi-authoritative resource page for the hoax as well as
providing a reasonably coherent account of the hoax.
You are quite right. I have copies of both books but not the Natural History
article. For some reason I missed referencing
Hen’s Teeth and Horse’s Toes.
That’s a good point and one that I will have to think about. I think we can
take it for granted that all of the planted fossils were found – Woodward went
back to the digs many times. The hoaxer, of course, would want all of his
carefully manufactured artifacts to be found; it seems he was successful.
A real issue is whether it was necessary to plant them during the course
of the digging or whether it would have sufficed to plant them in one step
and rely on them being found.
If I have the right of it, the Piltdown dig was particularly unfavorable. It
was a hard gravel pit with both the gravel and the bones being heavily stained.
If Walsh is correct most of the fragments were found in the spills rather
than directly in the pit. I shall see if I can get the expert opinion
of paleontologists on this one.
You’re quite right about oversimplifying things. The authors trying to make
cases have regularly forced the evidence, i.e., they have overstated the
implications of suggestive circumstances. Thus, for example, any of the
suggested principals *might* have have happened to acquire the original bones.
Likewise it is not certain the hoaxer *had* to have had access at all relevant
times to the digs. Suggested motives are often wildly speculative.
That is a good suggestion.
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Date: 11/10/98
Subj: The Harter Gazette
Long time, no hear from. I like it – the rabbits are delightful.
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From: John
Date: 11/13/98
Subj: Web site
Thank you – kind words are always appreciated.
Of course that depends upon what kind of words they are.
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From: Charles Hitchcock
Date: 11/12/98
Subj: sdtrip
Indeed. In truth the sight was not strange to me – when I went there in
1973 the buildings were already gone. The impact was greater this time.
In previous trips I had been with other people; one cannot wallow in
nostalgia unreservedly in the company of others. There is more to it
than that, though. Nostalgia – the desire to be in touch with one’s
youth – is a stronger factor when one is one’s 60’s than when one is
in one’s 40’s.
Disconcerting isn’t it?
(chortle) NO DELI, eh? I guess that takes care of that.
They don’t seem to. Lois goes back to South Dakota a lot to visit my mother
but even she is thoroughly ensconced in California. I don’t think that any
of the girls will ever move back. Oddly enough people do retire from
California to South Dakota.
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Date: 11/17/98
Subj: Website
Thanks – it’s always nice to get kudos.
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Date: 11/16/98
Subj: Piltdown Man Home Page
One could argue that but it’s sort of dubious. The question of where and
how Homo sapiens evolved was very open at the time. At that point most of
the fossils (which were very few) were European. The similarity between
the great apes and humans was a live topic (Owen and Huxley had lively
debates on the subject – Gould’s latest book has a chapter on the dispute)
but there weren’t IIRC any African finds. Dart’s discoveries were made
somewhat later.
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Date: 11/23/98
Subj: Thompson Turkey
I’m glad to have been of service. I had “the turkey” about twenty years
ago and still remember it fondly. As you note, it does come out looking
black and ruined – I should mention that. Isn’t it marvellous what you
can find on the net?
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Date: 11/1998
Subj: Giving a little back
Curio shop? Now that’s an apt description.
Your site made me pull-over and curio-shop surf. Thought you’d like
to know that. It may be a small reward for all the effort of putting
the site together, but then I’m sure you weren’t expecting, like, cash
and stuff.
Cash would be excellent. I dunno about “stuff” – that covers a lot
of territory. I can see it now: “You have been awarded a free
membership in the moosehead of the month club.”
I’ve read most of the jokes (I will finish all of them). I’ve read
lots of the articles. A few USENet conversation excerpts. Looked at
a few pictures. I’ve shyed away from the poetry, but only because
you, yourself, disparage the works.
You might take a look at the poetry if you have a taste for poetry.
I was harsher on myself than I need be; it is (he says not at all
modestly) a lot better than most of the stuff you will find on the
web. There are people who read and enjoy my poetry.
The joke collection is top-notch. I called my parents (they live in
Rochester, NY and I live in Houston, TX) last night to tell them the
“Hot and Sweaty, Cold and Chilly” one. The three of us laughed for 5
minutes after the punch line. My wife came downstairs to find out
what all the ruckus was about. I told her the joke later and had
another laugh.
It’s a good story. I’m on a number of humor mailing lists; I cull
out the stories that particularly tickle my fancy.
The short analysis of Dickens’ “A Christmas Carol” was, for me, one of
those times when you stop, and think to yourself, “Wow. That is so
interesting, and sound, that I cannot believe I’ve never thought of,
or heard of that before.” Did you write it? Have you more on Dickens?
Oh, yes, I wrote it. I don’t have anything else on Dickens – at least
not at the moment. I will, however, commend Orwell’s collected
essays. It is stretching things, perhaps, to call Scrooge “Socialist
Man”; still, it is an interesting thesis. I do like to turn things
over and look at them from the other side.
Anyhow, since I’ve read so many of your good jokes, I thought I’d
share one of my favorites with you. You’re welcome to include it on
your pages. As a matter of fact, I’d be honored.
[snip story]
I hope you liked it. It may be one of those jokes that’re better
told aloud. Being able to do a good old guys voice helps even more.
It’s a good one; I will probably use it. Reading it doesn’t do
justice to it, though – it’s a story that is meant to be told.
P.S. Have you noticed how much you like the words “sundry” and
“delectation”?
“Sundry” is an excellent word – it so often covers exactly what I
mean. I hadn’t thought about “delectation” but it is, after all,
a delectable word.
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