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This a traditional letter column.
You are encouraged to write a letter of comment on anything that you
find worthy of comment. It will (may) be published in this column along
with my reply. As editor I reserve the right to delete material;
however I will not alter the undeleted material. E-mail to me that solely
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appreciation for the scholarly resources provided by this site will be
handled very discreetly. This page contains the correspondence for
February 1999.
From: Josh Alley
Hello. My name is Josh Alley, and I recently took a look at your webpage on
“Creationism: The American Disease.”
I have two questions that I would be interested in discussing via email, if
you would be so kind as to reply. I would like to see an explanation of:
1. How natural selection, combined with mutation, can be a creative process.
2. How you can claim that “Creation” is a position of faith and “Evolution”
is one of fact. Your philosophy of science will be brought to bear on this
issue.
Thanks for your consideration. I look forward to hearing your reply.
I’m sorry but I am not interested in conducting a private email conversation
on these topics; it is all too likely to be an unprofitable use of my time
and these are, after all, questions that have been discussed at great length
in books, journals, and the internet.
To be honest, your questions and your phrasing suggests strongly that you have
very little actual knowledge of the subject of evolution and that your thoughts
on the matter are taken from creationist literature. I may do you an injustice
here but such has been my experience. If you have not done so, may I suggest
that you look at Chris Colby’s Introduction to Evolutionary Biology. There
is a link to it on my origins page. The URL is:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html
I will, however, answer your two questions very briefly:
1. I assume that you mean to ask “How can new features and major modifications
evolve?” One way is exaptation; a feature which is useful for one purpose turns
out to be useful for quite another purpose. A good example of this occurs in
the evolution of flight in insects. The original wing buds were useful for
thermal regulation; when they reached a certain size they became useful for
generating aerodynamic lift. Another way is duplication and differentiation.
For example the homeobox genes are the master body plan genes for animals.
There has been a fair amount of duplication both of major groups and of individual
gene sequences. The duplicate copies can change independently to direct the
development of distinct differentiated tissues.
Rather more generally, natural selection is conservative in its operation.
That is, the reproductively fit are those organisms that are well suited to
the current environment. The catch is that environments are never fixed; they
alter over time. As a result the criteria for fitness change over time
whence organisms have to evolve over time to track the changing environment.
The above is a simplified answer; life is complicated and the evolution of life
is complicated.
2. By creationism I assume you mean young Earth creationism, i.e., Biblical
literalism. Science assumes that the world is not radically inconsistent.
Biblical literalism requires a radical inconsistency between the evidences of
the past and the purported actual past. It is difficult to go much beyond
this without appealing to the wealth of geological and biological data and
that is beyond the scope of this letter or of the time I wish to invest in it.
As a general note, it is my experience that when creationists appeal to the
philosophy of science they almost always are not actually familiar with the
philosophy of science, that their appeal is to a simplified and superficial
understanding of Popper’s falsifiability criterion.
Finally, may I suggest that instead of conducting email debates that you read
a couple of good text books. For that matter, you might consider reading
Darwin’s Origin of Species. It is 150 years out of date but many of the
arguments and discussion are still relevant; moreover he was a very good writer.
PS: You might look at my
Changing views of the history of the Earth page
to get a sense of how thoroughly obsolete creationism is.
From: Dustin Atwood
I have been going over your site to see what was what; a fellow worker gave
me a few links to your site and I was giving it a check-ride to see if it
contained enough material to link it to my own. That’s how I happened upon
your Marine page. Have you considered joining the Band of Brothers web
ring (or any web ring for that matter)? I ask you this because I have seen
a lot of Marine pages while surfing the BOB ring and a lot of them are very
good, but there are times when you run across a page that is really squared
away and has a message. Your Marine page is a prime example of the fact
that you don’t need Java and animation, .wav files and all kinds of other
bells and whistles to deliver a clear, honest representation of what the
Marine Corps is all about.
Just an FYI to see how you feel about it, and if nothing else, great job on
that page and Semper Fi, Mac.
At this point I’m not worrying too much about exposure. It turns out that
my Darwin Awards page and my humor page generate a lot of hits (at least a lot
for a personal site). I expect, though, that there are people out there that
would like to read my page. The BOB ring looks like a good thing. I will
probably follow your example and bounce around the ring reading pages.
It’s a cute hack (I’d heard of the sign but never seen a photo), but
it’s not very accurate; a great-circle program I built a long from
Bowditch’s formulae says the non-stop distance is 4498 miles.
Distances which the poster is more likely to have been able to find in
tables in an atlas are 4858 via Chicago, 5098 via NYC, and 5111 via
both. I wonder what the source was for the sign’s number…. (Go
ahead. Tell me you’re the one who put the sign up.)
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In Spider Robinson’s story “Half an Oaf”, one character thinks about
another “He literally couldn’t find his ass with both hands”; since
this is farce, it’s because his lower half, while still effectively
attached, was left in the future by a defective time machine. Robinson
is close to 50; the story is ~15 years old, so it’s unlikely to be
findable online. Robinson could have gotten the expression from
anywhere — he has enough affection for the written word that his
daughter could stay up as late as she wanted to finish what she was
reading.
I seem to recall that it was a common expression back in SD when I was
growing up. I place no great faith in my memory in this regard though.
Hi, I have shared your chili story with all 67 on my ICQ listing. Love
it. Wonderful sense of humor, keep up the good work. gage/F/PA/married
48 years/retired college professor/living with the Lord seventy years
Glad you liked it – I thought it was a hoot, myself. It isn’t mine
originally, of course – a friend passed it on. I have a number of sources;
I just pick out the stories that tickle my funny bone.
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From: Don Wilson
Hello. You and I may be on the same wavelength. I’m not at all sure
that I’m a Human Being, either. That’s why I call myself, “lifeform”.
We share a common interest in Samuel Beckett, it appears. My interest
appears to be a bit more comprehensive than yours.
I have a page called, “The Samuel Beckett On-Line Resources and Links
Page”. http://home.sprintmail.com/~lifeform/Beck_Links.html. It consists
mostly of links to other people’s pages.
A couple of days ago I discovered your Beckett page. Although I’ve
been perusing search engines results for months, this was the first time
I ever saw a link to you. It was in German, no less. Here:
http://home.t-online.de/home/Figurentheater.Gingganz/godot.htm.
It read, “Warten auf Godot auf verschiedene Weise”. Alta Vista translated
that as, “Waiting for Godot in a different way”. That’s for sure.
I now have a link to you on my Beckett page. I also included one of
the many pictures of you, one that I thought really reflected your
essence. Hope you like my choice.
You seem to be a Renaissance man, into all kinds of things. Me, I’m
just a rather misanthropic computer nerd (programmer), semi-retired.
I’m two years older than you. Single, never been married. No children,
needless to say.
That’s it. I went to college in Iowa. Listened to WNAX, Yankton,
on the radio. I thought Yankton was a funny name.
I do like your choice of photographs; it is one of more flattering pictures.
I suppose I am a renaissance man of sorts although I do not think that
any one can truly be such. There is a line in the music for the Lion
King which goes “There is more to see than can ever be seen, more to
do than ever can be done” which says it nicely. The ideal of the Renaissance
man, a man who was a master of all of the important arts and learning, was
one for a culturally much simpler world, the Renaissance in fact. The world
is too rich; one cannot even be a comprehensive dilettante. Even in the
earlier part of this century one could read the one hundred great books as
specified by some pretentious dweeb and flatter oneself into believing that
one was a well educated man who had grasped the essentials of culture.
Today such claims wear exceedingly thin.
I remember WNAX well. Yankton, by the way, is named after the Yankton Sioux.
The Sioux, having had their lands and their tribal names taken away from
them, are returning the favor by taking our money in their casinos.
From: KBoyle
keep up the good work, laughter truely is the best medicine
I chanced to access your site through the page Kult of the Hamstur, which I
found in a most roundabout way –
It suddenly occurred to me that I had never heard anybody else but me use the
expression “He can’t find his ass with both hands”, which I distinctly recall
reading in a book by Daniel Mannix (a now forgotten history popularizer)
around 1962. I did an Alta Vista search for it and found your page, with a few
other attestations of this curious phrase.
I didn’t know ANYBODY remembered Daniel Mannix. He used to write a lot for the
long defunct “TRUE – the Man’s Magazine” which I thought was one of the most
underrated periodical publications of all time – I remember getting my father
a subscription for Christmas around 1956. – Mannix in _The Hellfire Club_ said
something like “The king [probably George III] couldn’t find his ass with both
hands.” – And of course what he wrote about the world of carnies was
unexcelled – though I remember other writers in and around the world of SF who
wrote about the carnival scene.
I don’t know why the magazines died; I have the impression that it was a
combination of television sucking away both readers and advertising dollars
and general changes in the economics of printing and distribution. It is a
pity though. The pulps and the slicks were a major market for general short
fiction.
Some one of these days I will get a search engine up; I’ve picked up a couple
of promising CGI scripts. Now all I have to do is go through the process of
making sure that they work and that my ISP will honor them. It’s not hard, it’s
just a pain. If I had had the foresight I would have built in a search engine
from the very beginning. As it is, I don’t feel like going through everything
and adding links to the search engine. I suppose what I should do is go back
and standardize the layout. The odds against that happening are high.
Personal Web sites, and the search engines that index them, allow you to write
things there would have been no point in writing before. Like my history of my
father’s World War II unit. There would have been no way to get that out to
anyone who wanted it, until the Web came along. I’ve had several inquiries
about nearby WWII general hospitals, though as yet (in less than two months)
none about the 242nd GH itself – but give it time. – There’s a book in this
topic – so far I haven’t seen much published on the subject, and I think it
would make a marketable book.
At present there is a real problem with quality control and with evanescence.
It occurs to me that something that will happen in the future (it may be happening
now) is the emergence of sites that mirror, certify, and version control sites of
interest.
It is notable that full length genre fiction has done quite well but in the paperback
novel format. It may be that TV has been the popular alternative to the short story.
From: John H. Jr. Boulet
Gentlemen:
The tale about the mission of the frigate USS Constitution capturing all
that booze in 1779 is just that – a “Tale”.
The USS Constitution was not even constructed until 1797, and did not put
to sea until the following year (1798).
(We knew that all along, but to be sure do you have any good stories about
B-52’s when they were first used in combat – in the Korean War?)
From: John Peterson
Excellent job! Very thorough! I am a social studies teacher in Rutland,
Vermont and I teach a course in anthropology. I will be adding a link from
my anthro page
to your page and will be encouraging my students to visit
your page. Thank you for providing this great resource.
John Peterson
Althought it maddens me when some authors leave out details, I think
Suford’s
Be that as it may an author never decides *everything*. There are always
things in the background that are not thought about although authors often
create or think about unused background. As an ordinary thing, though, an
author will have (or should have) thought out everything that is essential
to the plot. This is by no means always true. C.S. Forrester was in the
middle of the third book of the first Hornblower trilogy when, all of a
sudden, he realized that he hadn’t the slightest idea how Hornblower was
going to escape from captivity. Fortunately it began to snow….
Sometimes, however, the author really doesn’t know. The unexplained and the
unknown are an integral part of the story. This is something that can be
readily abused. In the present case Joe not knowing and not knowing is
a main point of the story – not because it is a “Did she or didn’t she”
story but because not asking is part of their relationship.
I do wonder about your
From: Solomon Eutavick
hey richard….great page….well the sonnet
part…you are a very good writer…could u tell me
about yourself?like skool that sorta stuff…i think
your sonnet on death which you said might seem silly
but is for effect…i really liked the power of the
lines…you followed your rhyme scheme very well…as
well as the syllables in the lines…i enjoyed the
couplet it was moving…pls respond…thanks guy
From: Richard Caruana ([email protected])
Hi my name is Richard Caruana
From: Bane Reider
Hey..great site! Have you got any comebacks for pregnant women? ie
“Gosh, you’re as big as a house!” Or “Are you sure you’re not due for
three more months?” or from ‘helpful’ ushers at theaters “Please don’t go
into labor here!” I have one for the women that ask “Are you sure you’re
not having twins?” “Twins? I wish! There’s triplets in there!” People
who come up and rub my belly, or ask what I’m eating, or offer advice….I
need good comebacks! Know any?
From: Liz
Hi, I was wondering if you could answer a few questions that I have on
savants. Thanks!
From: Katherine Ferguson
On this web page you list Antonia Forest’s “Merrick” series as Young
Adult Fantasy. I thought you might like ot know that I disagree 😉
(I would refer you to my Antonia Forest web site at
http://www.maulu.demon.co.uk/AF/
except at the moment it doesn’t mention the relevant info).
Ten of her books form a series about the *Marlow* family. Patrick
Merrick appears in some of these. I would only classify one of these
(Peter’s Room, 1961, Faber) as Fantasy, the others are boarding school
stories or set in the school holidays. In Peter’s Room the Marlows and
Patrick spend most of the Christmas holidays making up stories based on
the Bronte’s Gondal — that very brief description does not do justice
to the book, but lets you know (if you haven’t read it) how it coudl tie
in with Fantasy.
Interesting list though, makes me wonder why people chose those
particular books, I’ll have to try reading them all sometime!
Hope this helps, any queries let me know,
I did take a look at your web page which I like although it is clear
that you have more that you want to do with it. I may well see if I
can find some of the Antonia Forest books.
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What I particularly noticed was the suggestion of the DWJ title “Howl’s
Moving Castle”. It’s one of my faves but I’d have expected something
like “Fire & Hemlock” (another favourite) on a YA list. Another case of
how to define children’s vs YA, combined with personal preferences as
you said. Also I wouldn’t have included Cresswell’s Bagthorpes.
From: Dave Kifer
…got pointed at your
“kitty litter cake” and worked backwards
to your index, then out again to your
“Sea stories”. As an “old
salt” myself (Paris Island ’66, Vietnam ’68, civilian again in ’69)
I enjoyed your tales of the Old Corps. They sounded much like
my new (now Old) Corps. Semper Fi!
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Oh, yeah, I think about that every once in awhile. But the odds were
high that had I stayed in, I would have visited a particular SE Asia
country several more times, and there wasn’t anything I left there
the first time I wanted to go back after. and I realized that while
it had been good for me, I didn’t really like the military lifestyle.
I never thought about it before but if I had stayed in I would have
been a senior NCO with a high tech MOS during Nam and would have probably
pulled more than one tour there.
From: L.W. Clark
Thank you [email protected]. There is some really funny stuff on your page and I
want to thank you for going to all this trouble for us nuts. We just received
the link to your site tonight and have thoroughly enjoyed what we’ve read.
From: Sean
caught you friend.
ive been reading this GREAT stuff for days and tonight to my
surprise, theres more great stuff. thank you for filling my days with
laughter.
From: Erica
I thoroughly enjoyed the E-Mail concerning
“If Women Ruled The World!”
What a very special article!!
From: Denise Rohed-Trout
I work in a retail environment: Need I say more? Every other person that
comes through the door is a genetic defect! The gene pool in THIS
neighborhood definitely needs a good dose of chlorine! Thanks for the
laughs!
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Date: 2/26/99
Subj: Creationism, an American Disease
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Date: 2/24/99
Subj: United States Marine Corps
“Squared away” – now there’s a phrase you don’t see too often these days,
or too much of it either. Thank you for the kind words. I am a firm
believer in web design on the cheap. Keep it clean and simple and pay
attention to the content.
I don’t know if you are familiar with web rings, or whether you have
already looked into joining one. I will tell you that it doesn’t cost a
red cent, and takes a grand total of about 15 minutes to get locked on.
The reason I am telling you this is simple: I think your page is honest,
straightforward and to the point, humorous and definately something other
Marines would like to see. My page happens to be linked to the ring, but I
didn’t know anything about it until I went to another site that was already
hooked up and looked into it. It has given my site a lot of exposure, I
have found pages relating to my own unit and have spent hours in some cases
just hopping from one Jarhead site to the next.
In truth I didn’t know about the BOB ring. I’ve followed your suggestion
and signed up for it. The graphics are on my page now. In due course they
will do whatever it is that they do and it will be fully hooked up.
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From: Chip Hitchcock
Date: 2/24/99
Subj: Wall Drug sign in Amsterdam
I haven’t the slightest idea where the number came from. I expect that
the distance would be a combination of road miles as the car drives and
sea miles as the ship sails. Given that roads meander a bit and that
ships don’t sail great-circle routes that might account for it. OTOH
it might be somebody’s guess. I would put my money on the latter.
it might be somebody’s guess. I would put my money on the latter.
Wouldn’t surprise me (most hacks don’t have to be precise), although
allowing for road meandering and for getting around Cape Cod and the
British Isles would also come closer to that number.
Driving route 90 to South Dakota from Boston isn’t exactly straight.
The mileage is 1700 miles from Boston to Highmore.
I heard about that sign shortly after getting back from Amsterdam;
do you know whether it was new in the 90’s or just something our
otherwise very knowledgeable tour guide missed?
My understanding is that it is fairly old. Tell you what. The next
time you are in Wall, South Dakota, drop in at the drugstore and ask.
They probably know. 🙂
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From: Chip Hitchcock
Date: 2/22/99
Subj: sidebar to “Hi Richard Harter!”
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From: Ray Heatwole
Date: 2/24/99
Subj: A Texas Chili Contests
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Date: 2/21/99
Subj: wwwwwwwwwwhwhwweeheehwwewhhwwhhhheeeererrre issssssssssss hheeeeeee?
There seems to be a problem with delivery service.
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Date: 2/16/99
Subj: Waiting for Godot in various modes
I suspect your interest in Beckett is more profound than mine. After
having looked at your web page I am certain that it is. Beckett was
part of my zeitgeist; up through the seventies everybody did Beckett which
is to say that serious college drama departments and community theaters
would do Beckett plays, usually Godot and/or Endgame, every so often.
I have the impression that this is no longer quite the case. I think
that is a matter of changing times; we live in a different world from
the world of the 30’s, 40’s, and 50’s. In essential respects that world
is as distant and alien as the middle ages or the Roman empire.
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Date: 2/19/99
Subj: could have been bottom 1%
Thank you. Humor R’ Us and all that.
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From: Bob Richmond ([email protected])
Date: 2/20/99
Subj: Hi Richard Harter!
Not forgotten by me. He is one of my favorite minor authors. He is the
author of Step Right Up, a fictionalized account of his years in the
carnival freak show, Not Like Us, a book about famous freaks, and
The Hellfire Club, of which our very own Ben Franklin was a distinguished
member.
This site has some nice animated GIF’s of hamsters, which I thought you might
like to add to, or link to, your Hamstur page.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Bluffs/4157/hampdance.html
Er, they certainly do have a lot of dancing hamsters, don’t they.
Unfortunately tiac.net seems to be currently out of whack, and I couldn’t
access any more of your site than your home page. I’ll try again later.
I hope you tried again. There is much there that is something or the other.
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I also had a subscription to TRUE. There were quite a number of good magazines
in those days that ran a wide variety of interesting articles and fiction.
People read magazines in those days. Most of the magazines of those days are
gone; the survivors tend to have mutated into something awful. Today Redbook
is a mirror image of Cosmopoliton. In those days it ran things like the Nero
Wolfe novels.
I have a hunch you might know a friend of mine – about our age – who has been
involved in the world of fandom for half a century. Do you know Steve Kallis,
and do you know where he is – I found him a few years ago and lost track of
him after he moved to Florida.
I know him but I haven’t seen him for donkey’s years. IIRC he was one of
the DEC people in the palmy days of DEC. The entire social network of DEC
people has broken up pretty badly – they’ve scattered to the winds.
I read a good bit of your Web site after the server got to functioning again.
I read your account of Piltdown Man. I had no idea how many big names are at
least circumstantially implicated in the scam.
It was, after all, apparently a very important find. For a good while
Piltdown Man was the “missing link”. What is more, the big names, the
English intellectuals, were a fairly close knit community; they were clubby.
Hey, buddy, watch who you’re calling an intellectual! I’m a graduate of
Harvard College (1959) and my daughter is going there in the fall, and my
claims to being a pseudo-intellectual are quite as good as yours! An
intellectual, as anyone of our generation ought to know, is somebody who can
listen to the William Tell Overture without thinking of the Lone Ranger.
I had forgotten that. You’re right, of course.
I’m really glad I found your Web site. Sometime in the next few months I’m
going to give a talk to my Macintosh users group on the subject of personal
Web sites, and yours will definitely be on a short list of sites I’m going to
talk about – particularly because a rather high proportion of our group is
older people (older than you and me!) – If I could make a recommendation for
your site – it’s big enough to need a search engine.
Well my web site is certainly a sterling example of something. I’m never
quite sure what. I suppose one can think of it as a hobby that got out of
hand. I hadn’t quite thought of it in terms of older people; there is something
neat about the idea of older people capturing the significant events and themes
of their lives in web sites.
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This is true. One of the neat things is that specialized knowledge has become
much more accessible and recordable. From what I read, the web is rapidly
replacing libraries and journals as the primary research source for students.
I can see where it might also do the same for many writers.
Magazines are alive and well, but the interesting ones serve very small
niches. What changed the old magazines was the rather sudden public loss of
interest in magazine fiction. I don’t know why that happened. I think the Web
is going to change magazines a great deal – it’s sure been hell on the big
computer magazines – like BYTE just died. I think porn magazines have lost a
lot of circulation to the enormous marketing success of porn on the Web
(there’s another book – how to run a pornographic Web site!)
One thing that happened in the 50’s is that the pulp magazine distribution system
collapsed. One company handled most of the distribution of pulp magazines. As it
happened, it owned a lot of land which was carried on the books at acquisition
price. A corporate raider noticed this, acquired the company, sold off the assets
for a large profit, and shut down the company. The pulp fiction magazines disappeared.
Digest sized magazines and the slicks survived; they went through different distribution
channels. They have eroded pretty steadily since then, though, leaving a small number
of niche survivors.
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Date: 2/18/99
Subj: Naval History – Wooden Ships and Iron Men
Sir,
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A good tale is not compromised by mere lack of factuality.
Date: 2/15/99
Subj: your piltdown page
Thanks for the kind words. There are a few things that I still want to
do with the page, the major thing being some tables of chemical analysis
of the bones. One of the nice things about the internet is that if you
do try to put together a resource page people will chip in and help you.
Although I did most of the writing quite a number of people were very
helpful in constructing the page.
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From: Chip Hitchcock
Date: 2/16/99
Subj: literary discussion
the act of turning the material into character and plot involves
deciding what the meaning of it is (or what you will use the material
to mean this time).
is either unreasonable or irrelevant. I don’t argue that I don’t
want to know details; I still want to know precisely where Neil
Gaiman thought the Cuckoo (in A GAME OF YOU) came from — but it is
valid to say the author hasn’t decided everything. A short story in
particular is a fragment, and a jolt; making did-she-or-didn’t-she the
center of the story would be needlessly repetitive (Frank Stockton(?)
did it once too often, IMHO, and everything since is uncalled-for),
but here it’s a useful reminder that the characters aren’t just what
we see in this story. (Which can be a story in itself; see ROSENCRANTZ
AND GUILDENSTERN ARE DEAD.)
Frank Stockton it is – The Lady and the Tiger IIRC. A work of fiction
is always an illusion; even in a complex novel we are only given scenes
which stand for whole lives and for unseen events.
When she asks him to come to the house she is offering affection
in the only way that she knows how to do it.
; it’s very easy to see this as a common misunderstanding of the
typical causes/economics of prostitution.
Even so. However given her background it is pretty reasonable.
Given that the story is Joe’s viewpoint, it’s not unfair that we not
know something that he is content to leave unknown. (You touch this
aslant; it’s worth squaring off to.)
I think you are right. As I often do I plotted out the story and wrote
it; it is only after writing it that one realizes what is really important
in the story.
I’m not convinced you read the scene with her father correctly; for
one thing, house bouncers (from the little I’ve read) vary widely in
what they’re told to prevent, from not-her-choice down to
rape-is-not-paying. From a different angle, it’s possible Joyce was
brutalized/case-hardened/businesslike enough that she gave in, and
gradually concluded that if all she was to her male biological parent
was a slot machine, he wasn’t her father, and the opinions that drove
her out didn’t matter. (Spider Robinson takes this route in
MINDKILLER, but I’m never sure how much real knowledge is behind his
successor-to-Sturgeon mantle.) I suspect she would not have been as
fragile when she met Joe if she had outfaced her father.
Um, no, I disagree. The bit about whores talking about what they would
do if their father showed up is real. For many whores the relationship
with their father is a big deal. However the key to what happens isn’t
Joyce; it is her father’s reaction. Given the kind of man that he was
he would run. As to Joyce being fragile I don’t see her that way but
that is another matter.
Suford’s view is highly mechanistic. It reminds me of an old reported
conversation that went roughly
A: I start writing, and when I can hear the characters talking
the story’s done.
(A is sometimes quoted as Heinlein.)
B: I can’t begin/ writing until I can hear the characters!
Suford’s view reminds me of the formulas pounded out in writing classes.
There’s nothing wrong with the formulas per se; however the key to writing
is actually writing.
This is all much easier in music because music doesn’t have/ to be
explainable (or even diagramable, although it usually is). But there
are similarities between composition arguments and your dialog —
especially when Suford asks “What do you want the reader to feel?”
The question is how much you dissect the feeling before trying to put
it down in a way others can experience, in fiction or in music.
In truth I don’t worry too much about what I want the reader to feel –
I react to what I feel. If a line, a paragraph, or a scene has impact
that I can feel then I know I’m doing something right. There are mechanics
surrounding the impact but the impact has to be there. To be honest,
I’m still learning – I just don’t know what it is that I’m learning.
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Date: 2/10/99
Subj: sonnets
Thank you. I like sonnets and I like writing sonnets but
they take a bit of work to write – at least to write a
good sonnet. If you haven’t found it you might look at
my autobiography page.
It has the bare statistics of my life and a bunch of
little essays and sea stories.
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Date: 2/9/99
Subj: Religion and Philosophy
I was interested to find that you have an article on fossilization.
Well I shall read it now and get back to you.
I also noticed a section on Religion and Philosophy
I guess you are seeking something
I shall not presume what it is …. maybe the truth
I can’t say exactly what that is but if I share some of my journey
with you then theosophy and the laws of nirvana and laws of karma
may have something interesting for you.
A starting point is theosophy.
Perhaps you had better check my pages on religion and philosophy first.
You might find them disconcerting. In any event I thank you for your
kind concern; I hope that you find what you are looking for.
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Date: 2/9/99
Subj: Snappy comebacks
I can’t think of any good ones but I’ll put the word out and see what
I can find. To be honest, it’s not a problem I’ve ever had to deal with.
Any way, I’m glad you like the site.
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Date: 2/7/99
Subj: Idiot Savants
I probably can’t help you if your interest is serious in depth. A lot
of what I know is from material that I read a long time ago although
Pinker’s How The Mind Works has some stuff that is relevant. Any way,
ask away and I’ll let you know if I can answer your questions.
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Date: 2/7/99
Subj: Antonia Forest
Thanks for the information. I’ve read about half of the books on the
list and none of the Antonia Forest books. I will change the page to
list Peter’s Room only for her. The list reflects the choices of a
number of people who mentioned their favorites. A thorough list would
have many more. The category is very amorphous – where does one draw
the line between children’s books and young adult fantasy. For example
John Bellairs has written a number of books which sit between children’s
fantasy and young adult fantasy.
I will rely on your judgement here since I haven’t read either DWJ or the
Bagthorpes.
Glad you thought the website is OK – I’m far from happy with it at the
moment, so little is completed. I’m better at summarising other people’s
ideas than doing my own litcrit and am relying on fellow members of a
mailing list for material. Huge backlog of archived email, growing every
day, and me “scribbling in a corner” trying to compile it into vaguely
logical pages.
It takes a while to get a dedicated web site beaten into shape. One of the
pages in my clutter that I put a fair bit of work into is a page dedicated
to the Piltdown Man hoax. It went through a lot of revisions before it was
completed and I got a lot of help and suggestions. Once a reference page
is completed, though, it just sits there and the world beat a mouse trap
to your door, mangling metaphors on the way.
I’d be interested to know what you would make of “Peter’s Room”, but her
books can be hard to find, so don’t hold your breath 😉
We shall see. Boston does have a first rate collection of used book stores.
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Date: 1/30/99
Subj: Saw your website…
Good to hear from you. Has it occurred to you that if you had
stayed in you would be retired out now on 30. I suspect that the
Corps really doesn’t change that much. Then again, having women
marines as regulars must change something! It wasn’t until late
in my enlistment that I learned that BAM was not an official title.
(BAM = Broad Assed Marine.)
I think that’s common enough – most people don’t go career.
The experience of being in the military is good for people but it’s
sort of like being vaccinated. The shots fix you up but you wouldn’t
want to be vaccinated every day.
I had a DI at Parris Island who made it a project to point out that
Women Marines did NOT have any other name we could call them. So, of
course, we still called them BAMs, as long as he wasn’t around. But
that change, enlisting Women Marines, came during WWII, didn’t it?
The use of the term BAM may have changed when men and women started pulling
advanced training together. The Marine Corps at least had the sense to not
put them together during boot camp. I think you’re right about WWII being
the dividing line. I have the impression that the WAC’s go back a lot
further but that they didn’t have women in the other branches until WWII.
There are a lot of other websites out there with the “eagle, globe,
and anchor” displayed on them somewhere. Occasionally I go out looking.
I hadn’t thought of that – it’s an obvious thing to look for.
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Date: 1/28/99
Subj: Wow!
Thank you, kindly. I’m glad you enjoyed it. It’s sort of like topsy. It
just growed.
I have a request, however. Months ago I received a site in which was the
funniest cartoon and I’ve lost it in this cybermaze I call my PC. If you have
the cartoon which shows the “backside” of Mt. Rushmore with the text reading
something like, honey, I’d have to say we’re somewhere on the backside of Mt.
Rushmore, could you please forward it to this one. I would appreciate it.
Even if you don’t, I still appreciate your jokes and stories and the time and
effort apparently put into your web site.
Gracias. I don’t think I’ve ever seen the cartoon. It must have been after
my time – I was the villain in summerstock melodrama in the Black Hills in the
60’s.
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Date: 2/1/99
Subj: darwin question
You caught me indeed. I slipped in the February stuff on the evening of Jan 31.
There will be more – I add stuff as the month goes by. Anyway, I’m pleased
that you like it.
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Date: 2/2/99
Subj: Friendly Comments
I’m glad that you liked it. It was one of those things that circulate
but it was a cut above the ordinary.
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Date: 2/2/99
Subj: Darwin Lives
Just think. One of the people in my pages may have once been a customer
of yours. With luck some of the ones you have today will make it here
tomorrow.
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