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This a traditional letter column.
You are encouraged to write a letter of comment on anything that you
find worthy of comment. It will (June) be published in this column along
with my reply. As editor I reserve the right to delete material;
however I will not alter the undeleted material. E-mail to me that solely
references the contents of this site will be assumed to be publishable
mail. All other e-mail is assumed to be private. And, of course, anything
marked not for publication is not for publication. Oh yes, letters of
appreciation for the scholarly resources provided by this site will be
handled very discreetly. This page contains the correspondence for
June 1999.
I am not actually a Travel Agent, But I do work in the Travel Industry.
I work for a major hotel operating company’s main reservation center.
While I was making a reservation for a guest to one of our hotels, I
informed the guest I needed his credit card for a deposit. He started to
give out a number that did not match any of the major cards, you know
“4” for Visa “5” for Master Card etc. I asked the man, “What credit card
type is this card?” He answered, “It’s my department store’s charge
card.” I explained that what I wanted was a MAJOR credit card. he did
not have one, so I advised he call a travel agent or the hotel directly
and try to arrange a reservation that way.
From: Unicorn Lover
A friend of mine has sent me your web site with a funny story referring to
the story about a game “Mate Match.” I have enjoyed reading it tremendously.
Since I wake up at 4 AM and leave the house at 5 AM I don’t have much time
for reading or doing anything I just check my e-mail and take my laughs with
me to work every morning. But this morning it was a wonderful laugh. I just
want to thank you for giving me the laugh of the day today. Oh, I haven’t
much time to read or investigate the web site much but my friend lives in
Texas and I live in Washington. I don’t know where you are but my
compliments to your list of jokes and stories. I will be looking forward to
reading them and probably sharing them with my coworkers and friends. Oops,
looks like I need to get going if I am going to get to work on time. Have a
Great day and keep up the good work.
It never occurred to me that I should put my name on all of the pages.
Apparently people find random pages without ever getting to the
home page. By the way, my name is
Richard Harter.
At least part of that story must be urban legend.
In order to make one’s voice higher with helium (or hydrogen) one must inhale
it, not drink it. Helium (Hydrogen) in your stomach would not affect your
voice.
And though Hydrogen may be more enironmentally friendly than CO2, I seriously
doubt that it would be considred safe enough to include such quantities in
consumer products.
The story does have the delicate aroma of urban legend. So?
From: Tom
i enjoyed reading your stories.i am also a former marine.i have a
problem with something that you keep referring to,and that is ex.marine.
there is no such thing as a ex marine there are only former
marines.thank you for taking time out of your life to make places for us
to get back together….SEMPER FI
From: Mccoy Family
Great jokes! I send pages to friends and family all the time. Nice photo
of your garden. Keep the jokes coming!
I did not intend for this to be a forum for Science versus The Bible–I really wrote to tell you how much I enjoy your web site. Thanks for not having alot of gross jokes. Most of all of them, I can share without blushing.
Audra
From: Janice Smithhart
Having worked in the restaurant business for years, I find I should start
documenting all of the goofy things that I encounter. One of my favorite
episodes was when a cook called in sick. His excuse was: He could not
come to work because he and his wife had a terrible argument in which she
was so pissed off that she ran off with his artificial leg. He lived on
the second story apartment and his crutches were in the car with her and
the artificial leg. Consequently, he obviously could not work. This was
a legitimate excuse, a true story, and the best “I cant come to work”
excuse I have heard yet.
Still entranced by your web-page. Still procrastinating.
Fascinating.
You’ve got more than a minor talent for literary conceits.
If we grant that some of the conceits are of the highest literary
quality (a position that may not be remotely defensible) still we
must deal with their dependence on conceits that clearly are not.
The review of “The Many Lives of Nathan Childers” alludes to the
problem:
In answer to your question: Projects alluded to are not created as such;
if they are created they aren’t the projects that were alluded to.
From: Luke Cool Hand [email protected])
I read in the past a letter that was e-mailed around which was (in short) a
letter from a gentleman with far too much time on his hands, who would mail
archeological relics dug from his backyard to a prestigious university. He
would actually take the time to detail what each relic was, and his
estimation of its age. The university would then respond by pointing out for
example that the latest artifact was not a triceratops knee cap, but a Malibu
Barbie head circa 1995. It was hysterical, and I cannot seem to find it
anywhere. If you ever run across it, please let me know.
Regards, and I love the website…
Glad you like the site.
From: todd cruikshank
How are you? i have look ed through your page for about the last fourty-two
minutes, and I would like to say nice job. I am fifteen years old (hopefully
my age won’t demean the value of the compliment) Other than writing to give
gratifacation on a great home page I have a couple of preguntas ( sorry,
questions)
Thank you very much for taking time out of your life to write me back,
Throughout my short but hectic life I have always been fascinated with
autism, genius, and abnormalities in the mind ( the fascination was surely
sparked by movies and television ,serching for bobby fisher, little man
tate, rain man, and many others. I learn a little more everyday.
Just to give you a mind set of where i’m coming from with those questions.
If it’s ok with you I have one more quick question.
Is genuis in children always seen and expressed early in the childs life
or can it be awoken later on in there lives?
Great mathematicians and chess players tend to be young and evidence talent
early; few, however, are outright prodigies although some are. Writers and
painters may start writing and painting at any time in their life. Some
children show little sign of later adult genius; others do. There is no firm
consistent rule.
From: Geoffrey A. Landis
I ran into your “essays” web page
via a link from Eric Max
Francis — the link to your essay
on the Fermi paradox happened to be sitting right next to the link to mine.
I very much enjoyed reading your essay. As a followup thought, it occurs
to me that technologically advanced species would be very good at
identifying suitable planetary systems from a distance. In turn, said
systems might be fairly rare. If our aliens only travel to “good” systems
then that suggests to me that the percolation coefficient is well below
the critical value.
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[re aliens only travelling to “good” systems]
True. Of course, if they don’t travel only to “good” systems, then the
colonies on the not-good systems will likely fail, and the percolation
coefficient will be low, too!
It will be useful when we get some good data on Earth-sized planets around
other stars… then we’ll know a lot more about possible targets!
One thing that occurs to me is that science fiction writers rather
blithely assume that habitats in space and/or unterraformed worlds are
fairly easy to build and that their economics are not prohibitive. If
this is true then the suite of target systems expands a great deal. It
may not be true, though. That is, it may not be practical to be build
habitats to be occupied indefinitely that are not part of an already
existing planetary ecosystem.
The flip side of the equation (and I don’t think I’ve ever seen this) is
that worlds like Earth are particularly unsuitable for colonization because
they already have life present. It may be almost impossible for an alien
ecology to invade the terrestrial ecology. The difficult is not with the
plants and animals – it is with the bacteria. They eat everything and are
everywhere. Alien life forms would be dinner on the hoof without evolved
defenses.
TG writes
Be that as it may you can argue the matter the other way around, i.e.,
other images and myths are shadows and echoes of the Truth, rather like
multiple realities in Zelazney’s Amber Chronicles. I think that is very
much the way that C. S. Lewis saw it. You may have to stand on your head
quite a bit but I think it can be done.
It may be that it has to be done if one is going to remain a believer.
It is one thing to take the view that other religions and myths are
distorted copies of the truth and quite another to take the view that
they were simply invented. The latter, skeptical viewpoint all too quickly
leads to the question that must not be asked: Why is Christianity (or any
other religion of your choice) not also a merely human invention?
wrt #25: my wife is fond of quoting a certain biology exam,
on which the professor asked for a reasoned explanation of
why a woman is born with all the (few hundred) potential eggs
she’ll ever have while a man can produce millions of sperm a
day. The prize answer? “They won’t ask for directions either.”
What I want to know is whether that gray that you see is the color
of your hair or if it is dandruff.
I like dinosaurs too. Strange for a chemist, but I’m a strange
chemist.
I am bothered by the fact that a lot of paleontologists are NOT
biologists (well, they’re not educated in structure and form). There is
the old statement that “form follows function”. NOW- compare T.Rex to
an owl. One is a predator and one is not. TR is really a scavenger.
He jsut does NOT have binocular vision, he can’t triangulate to locate
his food. His eyes are more place like a chicken’s eyes- out on side to
see predators and just enough forward to see his food.
In any case the argument is suspect in this case. Prey species (e.g.
your chicken) have eyes to the side in order that they may have the
greatest peripheral vision so that they can spot predators. Regardless
of whether TRex was a hunter or a scavenger, she definitely wasn’t prey.
It is unclear whether TRex would have needed binocular vision – that
depends on the hunting mode and the prey.
From: Angie
Just took a wonderful chuckling cruise through your commentary and
poetry.
I think I also just took a journey through the all the human emotions
there are, simply by sitting here in front of my glowing screen reading
your sometimes frosted, sometimes honeyed words.
From: Sean
Interesting argument.
There is much to be said for the latter view; after all, could the author
of the universe be so mistaken in his account of how he did things? If
one views Genesis as a collection of “just so” stories, myths and parables
rather than revealed truth then what is to say that the rest of the Bible
isn’t also a collection of myths.
There is a problem, however. Genesis is not an accurate account of the
origins. It is a collection of tales that are, taken literally, false.
There was no Noachian flood, no Garden of Eden, no Adam and Eve, et cetera.
This is quite clear.
The literalists, the Young Earth creationists, don’t wish to accept this.
They are, in the view of many, dangerous because they, of necessity, promote
an agenda of falsehoods and ignorance.
There are various ways in which Christians attempt to reconcile Science and
the Bible, the most common being to treat Genesis as outright myth. A second
approach, which you hint at, is to reinterpret various words, e.g., “days”
as being indefinite periods of time. This doesn’t work all that well –
the sequence of events in Genesis doesn’t match the history of the universe
very well, even granting an elastic calendar.
More than that, there are problems with theology, particular with souls
and with original sin. Did Homo erectus have a soul? Homo habilis? I
suppose the Catholic Church has done as well as anyone can in resolving
these problems.
I mention all of this only to point out that the issues are not as simple
as you appear to suggest.
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I agree that their are forums for discussion besides on Internet email.
I have tried to quickly pose these questions and will also respond quickly
to your response, as I don’t want to occupy too much of your time. I only
wish to give my point of view and understand yours.
The “seems to be” should be “seems to be to you”. I in nowise said that
Science “has explained anything everything”. I in nowise said that “there
is no longer any doubt”. You supplied these notions and attributed them
to me.
By the way, it is pretty much the consensus among the cosmologists that
the universe is not going to expand and then contract. This consensus
may change in the future – we are quite a ways from having sufficient
information to answer these questions definitely. Currently, however,
the consensus is that the universe will expand indefinitely.
You go on to point out that there is no theory that explains everything.
This is quite true. You then go on to make the fatal fallacious argument
with:
Much of Genesis is “wrong” in much the same way as saying “Ronald Reagan
was a Roman Emperor” is wrong. It is blatantly wrong.
You go on to say that there are things that can’t be explained, e.g. faith
healing. This is all very true.
Now it happens that I don’t accept the conventional explanations of the
dominant religions for these “things that can’t be explained”. I don’t
claim, however, that science has shown that these explanations are false.
I do believe that ordinary reason and common sense (which is quite uncommon
as far as I can tell) suggest that the conventional explanations are, to
put it bluntly, hogwash. That is a different matter, though, and quite
a bit beyond the scope of correspondence.
It is hard to know, though. Human beings seem to have a great urge to
believe in and practice some kind of religion. Even atheists invent
equivalents to religion.
A problem with the “we need religion for the common good” argument is that
the cynicism implicit in the argument corrodes the belief required by
religion.
Be that as it may, I wouldn’t put too much stock in “our children killing
each other more and more frequently” as evidence. You’re drifting into
the area of manipulated perception.
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From: WILLIAM S BOTH
Date: 6/13/99
Subj: Travel Agent’s Anguish
Now that’s quite sad. You have to wonder how it was, though, that he has
gone through life without ever realizing what a major credit card is.
There are farmers in South Dakota who have never had a credit card –
people who don’t believe in debt. That I can understand. Your chap,
however, has a very special kind of innocence.
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Date: 6/11/99
Subj: Bob Becker
Actually I maintain the site. Bob Becker is one of the people who sends me
jokes. It’s a site meant for intellectual rambling and just plain enjoying.
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From: Kenneth Porter
Date: 6/11/99
Subj: Hydrogen Beer
While it is true enough that H/He in your stomach does not have the
desired effect it is by no means clear that the Hydrogen in Hydrogen
beer would all end up in the stomach. Perhaps it would escape from
the beer during consumption and invade the lungs. And perhaps not.
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Date: 6/8/99
Subj: ex marine
Good point. It’s sort of like being an alcoholic. You never stop being
an alcoholic – you just stop drinking.
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Date: 6/19/99
Subj: Great Jokes!
Thanks. My collection of jokes is sort of a compendium of the ones
I like best among the various humor lists that I get plus odds and
ends of juicy things I run across.
Oh yeah, don’t be too critical of Christians. I happen to be one and not
all of us believe in ignorance. I teach science, including evolution and
I feel that the bible has a more important purpose than to give us an
account of the Earth’s history or be involved in human endeovers like
science. We do not use the bible to guide our Art, Math or any thing
else–why should it be used for science?
I try not to be critical of Christians and Christianity as such,
although I do get in a few barbs now and then. Creationism is
another matter. One can’t fault the average person who accepts
creationism as being true – it is what they were taught.
I take more of an application approach to my use of the bible. I figure
out what the underlying meaning is and the purpose for each passage. I
use it as source for spiritual growth. The only things I take literally
are miracles, geneology and major periods in human history. Some of the
most wonderful literature can be misused in the twisted minds of some.
(Even hate groups and destructive cults claim to be Christians). Like
wise, the one thing science cannot do is explain away the existance of
God. Science as a human endeover deals with observed and predicted
information only.
Even so. A difficulty is that the level of achieved understanding of
science in the American populace is abyssmal. The talking heads
explain why this is so; alas, they have many different explanations
which don’t seem to agree with each other.
Besides, I enjoy reading the Darwin awards.
I try to maintain a modest level of taste in my collection. Many of
the stories have a sexual punch line but there aren’t many that are
overtly gross. I don’t need them; I am not twelve years old.
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Date: 6/6/99
Subj: Best excuse yet !
Chortle. Thanks for the story.
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From: Al Harrison
Date: 6/7/99
Subj: The man who thought he was stupid
It’s a good site for the dedicated procrastinator.
Your work need not be fiction, if it ever comes to anything.
The “essay” is an “act of fiction” – the “I will write something else”
is a reference to the work itself. Or it may not be an act of fiction;
I’ve never quite decided what it is.
I can offer two case studies, one a student and one a professor at my
university.
Would they be “men who think they are stupid” or merely the more common
“men who don’t realize they are stupid”?
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From: Al Harrison ([email protected])
Date: 6/7/99
Subj: Norman Childers
(Nathan Childers, please.)
Indeed. Some say I have a miner talent, a worthless pun that I
dug deep for.
Any chance you’ll carry through on any of those paradoxic projects?
Actually, I do carry some of them out from time to time. It is by
no means clear that this is a good thing. My works tend to form a
connected structure rather like a low density foam.
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This book is, or may be, the definitive biography of that
remarkable man of letters, Nathan Childers. Childers is a
man of essential contradictions both in his literary and his
personal life. It is quite inexplicable that the same man
could have written The Gods Hate Nebraska, one of the worst
pieces of SF hackwork ever written, and The Beekeeper’s Daughter,
easily one of the finest and most sensitive novels of this
century. It passes comprehension that the same poet could have
written the transcendently moving pastoral poetry that appears
in The Brookings, South Dakota Sheepherders Gazette and the
utterly pedestrian Proletarian Fairy Tales.
The review is the merest mendacity, of course, but the problem is real;
I have created a literary structure that is interconnected in an
essentially inconsistent manner. Since the inconsistencies are not
resolvable I am only left with the option of further exploring the foam.
Date: 6/8/99
Subj: Request for Information
I have a version of it on my website.
Take a look at http://richardhartersworld.com/cri/1996/conrad.html
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Date: 6/8/99
Subj: hello
All compliments are gratefully accepted.
1. Are children born Prodical, and or is it developed by hard work,
persperation and persistance, or is their genius always there.
Mostly it is a matter of the genius being there to begin with although
training can make a big difference. Chess, Music, and Mathematics
are the arenas where prodigies are mostly commonly seen. It seems to
have something to do with the ability to recognize abstract patterns.
2. Do autistic savants use a higher percentage of their brain the
non-autistic savants or do the just use a different part of their brain.
You may be mixed up about autism. Autism is a failure in mental
development that mostly has to do with understanding how people behave.
(There are a variety of symptoms.) In compensation many autistic people
develop speciallized talents, e.g., the “idiot savant” syndrome.
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It varies a great deal both with person and with area. When you speak of
genius you should remember that the term is used in more than one sense.
One sense is that of high IQ – the ability to achieve a very high score
on IQ tests. This basically is a test of quickness of thought. The other
is a capacity for outstanding achievement in some area of the arts and
sciences.
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Date: 6/2/99
Subj: your web page
Thanks for the reference. He has a very useful page there.
Say, cool set of essays. One minor suggestion, it took me two sets of
screens before I could figure out who the author of the essay was! You
might add your name to the page on essays, and to the essay
alien.html itself.
That’s a good suggestion. When I set up the site originally I sort of
assumed that people would be coming through the front door, so to speak,
i.e., that would start with the home page. It hasn’t worked that way
particularly. One of the consequences of having so much clutter is that
people link to miscellaneous pages.
By the way, have you
read Brin’s essay about the Fermi Paradox?
Is that the one with the speculation that most habitable worlds are water
worlds? In that regard I recall reading an article in Scientific American
which reconstructed the amount of above water land area over the history
of the Earth. According to the article the land area has been steadily
increasing over the eons.
That is where the difficulty lies; we neither know what constitutes a
target system nor how many of them their are.
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From: Chip Hitchcock
Date: 6/4/99
Subj: Chesterton
…it is your idea of Faerie that smells a bit too much like
Christianity. Christ is too big to put in a box.
One of the problems of many of the professed Christians I run into is
their refusal to see both the box “Christ” fits into (“resurrected
hero”, see Tammuz, Osiris, …, all the way down to WILLOW) and the
extent to which Christianity is a hashup of other religions, both
institutionalized and “primitive” (e.g., Faerie-related). Easter is
connected to Passover, which appears to have been overlaid on an older
Spring festival; Christmas was a takeover of Saturnalia(*); All Saints
Day was an attempt to supersede Samhain (and there are saints’ days or
other festivals for the remaining quarter and cross-quarter days);
etc.
IIANM the early church fathers accounted for this by saying that Satan
planted various false religions as precursors, the object being to confuse
the faithful. Some people find this argument convincing. Your mileage
may vary.
My personal take is that Christianity succeeded by taking over
both Rome and the Roman habit of absorbing local religions — cf their
telling surprised west-of-England tribes that Sulis was simply an
aspect of Minerva, whom they were encouraged to worship while
Bathing….
There is more to it than that; the key is that Christianity *could* take
over Rome because it was a universal religion, i.e., one that was not
restricted to a particular people. The entire idea of a universal
religion was a major cultural invention.
(*) I have read that the only time-of-year indication of “Christ”‘s
birth puts it in February rather than midwinter; the statement that
shepherds were watching their flocks by night suggests lambing season.
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From: Chip Hitchcock
Date: 6/4/99
Subj: Rules guys wished girls knew
Snicker.
(I don’t think you have this on your page yet — if so put it
down to advancing senility. Yes, I’ve started seeing gray on
top….)
It appears in my June correspondence page.
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From: James Hill
Date: 6/4/99
Subj: Dinosaurs
Ah, the great T-Rex controversy. This is a lively one – paleontologists
have argued it back and forth with great vehemence. I’m not certain
about the binocular vision bit – I’ve seen it argued that TRex did
have binocular vision. This may be a matter of who is doing the
reconstruction. Then again, I am not up on the latest reconstruction.
Now, there ARE some great preditors in the dinos. They are the ones
that DO have eyes that face forward and they can triangulate to locate
their food.
Oh yes. The raptors, for example, are nasty little killing machines.
I found this out in a course on dinos in Grand Junction, CO. I also
found out that experts don’t know what they’re talking about. If he sez
“I am an expert so believe me.”, fergit it! Now…. I’m no expert on
them…. so you CAN believe me.
Would that course have been taught by Horner? IIRC he is one of the more
dogmatic “TRex was a scavenger” advocates. Bakker, OTOH, is very much
a “TRex was a savage killer” man.
I hope you haven’t fallen for this sounds-good explanation for TR. And
what if he DOES catch a victim- what can he do with it? That big mouth
can catch it but he is so top heavy and only bipedal, he can’t handle
the victim.
Um, you should excuse the expression, but that dinosaur won’t hunt.
Here is a good one for you…. if a hen-and-a-half could lay an
egg-and-a-half in a day-and-a-half, how many eggs could two hens lay in
three days?
Two. After they each lay an egg we serve them up for Sunday dinner.
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Date: 6/4/99
Subj: poetry
Thank you.
Thank you for your kind words. I am unnerved, though, by “sometimes
frosted, sometimes honeyed”. It sounds a bit much like boxes of cereal.
Could it be that I am the Count Chocula of verse?
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Date: 6/1/99
Subj: Creationism
Thank you. I’m not sure which page you are referring to, though.
I have but a few questions.
I will answer them this once but I shall warn you that I don’t conduct
email debates on creationism etc. There are public venues for such
debates.
1.Why do evolutionists and creationists have to be so damn literal about
the first seven days. Could it be that a day equals a billion years or some
other span.
You should keep in mind that there are a multiplicity of views. There are
two poles: On one hand there is the reconstruction of the history of the
universe, life, and everything as detrmined by science. This reconstruction
says little as such about religions. On the other hand there are the
biblical literalists who insist that Genesis should be treated as literal
history.
2.Why is it that those who lack faith in a God have to attack the
beliefs of others to validate their own existance. After all, isn’t that
their ownly fault.
Here you make all kinds of assumptions and characterizations that are
illegitimate. Many people “who lack faith in a God” don’t attack and
certainly don’t “have to attack” the beliefs of others. Those who do
attack belief in God, and there are many, do it for many reasons –
validating their own existence is perhaps the least common reason for
doing so. One of the common reasons for attacking the beliefs of
believers is that many believers are quite obnoxious in their belief.
Tit for tat and all that, you know.
3.Since this also tends to be a religion issue, allow me this
divergence. Abortion, why is it that a baby born that survives is a baby
but a baby still inutero is just a fetus to be aborted. Well then if its
not a baby, you must not be pregnant, What are they worried about? Baby’s
survive younger and younger. They routinely survive at 26 weeks gestation.
Yet that is still technically the second trimester, abortions are performed
into the third trimester. Is that right?
Perhaps I am cynical but I seriously doubt that you are interested in that
“why”. I am not interested in serving as a whetstone for grinding that
particular axe. In answer to your question, however, I would guess that
people reflexively distinguish between the invisible and the visible. The
fetus, being invisible and not a distinct observable object, is distinguished
from the baby, which is visible and is a distinct observable object. That
seems to be the basis for people’s reactions. The rationality thereof is
not my department.
I’m going to violate my own rules and answer you at length.
Your analysis of the whole creationism Vs evolutionism still seems to be
based on the assumption that Science has explained anything and everything in
the physical world around us. There is no longer any doubt according to you
as to the many questions of life. Where did we come from? Do we have souls?
Scientifically Speaking No. There is no proof.
The operative terms here are “evolutionism” and “seems to be”. It is
legitimate (barely) to speak of evolutionism, in the sense of a philosophical
and religious perspective distinct from science itself and it is fair
to say that there are camp followers of science who treat evolution almost
as though it were a religion. Be that as it may I wasn’t doing an
analysis of creationism vs evolutionism.
A friend told me of an experiment where they took various basic early
elements, carbon, hydrogen, and a few others I cannot remember. Ran
electricity simulating lightning and found that they had created not only
different elements, but also basic simple amino acids. The building blocks
of life. Sure, explains us a few billion years later.
This sounds like a reference to the Muller experiments of the 50’s. As
a note this does not explain either the origin of life (which is very
much an open question) nor the evolution of human beings.
I must ask though, where did all the matter come from for the Big Bang
in the first place? What was it before? Why was it just hanging out or was
it just hanging out? Why did it Bang? Why didn’t it just stay like it was?
Objects tend to continue doing what ever they are doing I believe is a
principle of Newtons.
You’re a little confused about Newton.
If we are all just part of the galactic yo-yo, Big Band, galactic
expansion, then contraction sometime in the future, then what Big Bang again?
To me it just doesn’t explain the beginning of the universe. It is all just
conjecture with many within the Scientific community arguing with each other
who is right. To me there is no right answer. No matter which you believe,
there is always an ‘expert’ somewhere who will disagree.
It is true enough that the origin of the universe and its future history
is very much a matter of informed speculation (and I do insist on that
word “informed” – there is a real difference between informed speculation
and uninformed hand waving). So? Not everything is known.
Which bring me to your second response. Given the varying theories on
evolution. Granted they have become more in line with the Big Bang Theory.
There is still dissent within the Scientific community as to a final
conclusive end all and be all theory that explains everything. Granted with
all the varying religions, I don’t need to explain the diversity there. How
can someone attack the beliefs of others as being ‘Wrong’ when there is so
much that Science cannot explain? Miracles occur all the time. Many things
can be explained but there is just so much that cannot. People are healed
all the time. Be it their faith, be it God, be it a self fulfilling
delusion, they are still healed. Things happen That Science cannot explain.
All of this is very confused. First of all there is a difference between
biological evolution (which is the usual target of creationists) which is
what is usually meant by “evolution” and more general senses of the word
which refer to the change of something (e.g., stars, the Earth, a political
system, the universe, whatever) over time. When you speak of “the varying
theories on evolution” I have no way of knowing what you might be referring
to. I will guess, though, that you are thinking rather generally of the
reconstruction of the history of the universe and calling that evolution.
Don’t get me wrong. There are still more than their share of Religious
Zealots out there who need a good shot. To the same account there are many
others who argue the same, some simply because they lack faith in a higher
power.
How can someone attack the beliefs of others as being ‘Wrong’
when there is so much that Science cannot explain?
Very simply: It is not necessary to know everything and explain everything
just to know some particular thing is wrong. If someone tells me that Ronald
Reagan was one of the Roman emperors I can say that he is wrong without
producing a detailed chronology of all the Roman emperors.
I will agree that proselytizing atheists are a pain in the ass. However
I will remind you that there are many more proselytizing Christians. There
are oodles of evangelical preachers on the radio and television. For every
Carl Sagan or Richard Dawkins there are a dozen Pat Robertsons.
Just from my own point of view, my father is a Religious Zealot. I
disagree with many things he believes. Look around you though. As the world
spins more and more out of control. Why are our children killing each other
more and more frequently? There are Demons among us, Possession is a real
thing. Not like the exorcist. But they do exist.
There is an ancient argument that people need religion in order to be good
or at least for to behave well enough for the maintenance of public order.
The pagan emperors of Rome enforced their state religion for just that
reason. The proposition may be true. Mind you, the religion doesn’t have
to be true; people just have to believe that it is true and that it tells
them what is right and what is wrong.
Sorry this was so long. It was just my thought.
No problem. It makes for an interesting discussion.
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